just one day perform some form of miracle in front of the entire earth in which he proves he exists???.
wouldn't this be the most loving and sensible thing to do?
for instance, this coming thursday god repeatedly strikes mount kilamanjaro to the point that it reads in hebrew, "god exists, i just did this.
Perry,
Bible contradictions. Read 2 Samuel 24:1-16. Comapare to 1 Chronicles 21:1-16. Find three contradiction (some Bibles may have corrected one of the contradictions, but offer a footnote). One of them is huge. Also tells me where is the justice and love of God there. Quite the opposite, no love, no justice.
I don't get how people can believe and like God as described by the Bible.
just one day perform some form of miracle in front of the entire earth in which he proves he exists???.
wouldn't this be the most loving and sensible thing to do?
for instance, this coming thursday god repeatedly strikes mount kilamanjaro to the point that it reads in hebrew, "god exists, i just did this.
Perry,
If God owes us nothing, then I owe nothing to my children.
The moment I learned of the conception of both of my children I knew I had the biggest reponsibility and that as good a parent as I could be, they will owe me nothing. It is my obligation to care for them, I am doing no favor to them. Similarly, if God puts us here on Earth, then he owes at least a very basic care. Just tell us that you exist and the nature of our relationship with Him. I like the God of Einstein and Spinoza, a God of the natural order of the Universe who never interferes for good or ill in human affairs. That's the only way my life has any meaning.
A god that saves a person in a hospital (my dear one for whom I prayed) while millions of innocents die in wars, of famine, or by natural disaster makes no sense. It's plain stupid. Especially considering that years later I will pray for that same person and my prayer won't work. WTF. My prayers are supossed to get better with experience and yet seems to be quite the opposite. Is it possible that the natural order works (aging and decay) and that this idea of a God intervening in human affairs is just an invention by the superstitious, weak or self-righteous. The evidence indicates so.
If we replaced all the praying time for hours of study in the medical field we would be more effective in saving lives. Centuries ago people pray a lot more than they pray today and yet life expectancy has gone up. Isn't that evidence that the idea of God only serves as a psycological boost to the sick, but it is a waste of time when performed by others for the "benefit" of the sick person.
having this spiritual division between my wife and i over the years has been very draining in many ways.
so much so that i find myself more and more hating everything having to do with the wtbts especially when i just see watchtower literature.
i've kind of always felt that way but it's getting worst.
married to JW,
I am exactly in the same position as you are. I am celebrating my 19 anniversary tomorrow. Life was OK until I found TTATT. Then, things went down hill. Now my main objective is to prepare my children for getting out of the cult as soon as possible. Not easy, those bastards of the FDS ensalve their minds really well. It's unbelievable but the cultic control does happen. I don't think I can be of much help to you because I am as enraged and sometime out of control as you are. The only good from this so far is that I am resolved to get as many people out as it is possible, or prevent some from getting in. So far no tangible results, but I am planting seeds of doubt everywhere.
i have been out for 22 years.i was raised as a jehovahs witness.
i was baptized in 1986 but soon after left the religion.
theres a whole lot to the reasons why i left, but i left.
Corboy,
I am speechless. You want to go back!! Spend few months in this blog. Read few books about the WT (Crisis of Conscience, Gentile Time Reconsidered, Apocalypse Delayed, and many more). Read relevant publications of the WT since 1879. In other words: GET THE WHOLE PICTURE of the religion. You have to do a lot of homework.
Take the study and challenge the person giving it with ideas you may get from the forum. But please, please, do your homework thoroughly. I have serious doubt you know half of what you need to know to make such a huge decision
http://gilmermirror.com/bookmark/23272594/article-extreme%20shunning#.ufwjurllscm.facebook.
extreme shunningthe gilmer mirror.
its time to outlaw extreme shunning in modern society by: richard e. kelly .
Pursuing legal means to eliminate shunning is the wrong path. That is the way to totalitarianism. Shunning falls in the area of morality and desirable conduct, not of criminality. Denouncing it as we do in a free forum is the proper way, but asking the judicial system to intervene is asking for the Stalins to rule in a Democracy (sorry for the oxymoron)
yup got a voice mail bright and early this morning "grumblecakes, we would like to schedule a shepherding call".. how do i get outta this?.
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thanks!!
"I am gonna be very busy the entire month. Thanks. Some other time". Just don't detail what your activities will be (watch TV, play video games, etc)
i've been trying to avoid posting this, due to extreme paranoia but its time to post my story.
i hope to not post too many details, as we've avoided being df so far, our group elder was young and lovely and cool and i just hope that in time he learns the ttatt.. i'm a regular lurker on here, occasional poster (i can't post much as my phone browser only lets me read but not post, so i only post on the odd occasion i get a time alone on the pc).
i have been fading since round about last september ( so almost my first anniversary of learning ttatt).
I don't know if I could call myself an atheist, but I am certain that I am a humanist. I got great faith in human intelligence, resilience and capacity for compasion. Your son lives in a time when we have accomplished great things in many fields, especially the medical field. Great doctors and the right medical procedures will go much further than all the prayers of the in-laws. Spend more time involved with doctors than with the in-laws. Best for you and your family, especially your son.
I am glad there is one less minion serving the Fake-full of deceit slave
alshello.
i'm a practicing jw.
finally decided to create an account to see whether you could all help me.. so i am engaged to this wonderful wonderful man and in three months time we'll be married.
Postpone. Better yet, listen to Steve2
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/church-usher-charged-with-sexual-abuse-of-boy-parishioners-217825121.html.
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church usher charged with sexual abuse of boy parishionersmarcelo lozano, 34, faces nine felony countsby melissa pamer| thursday, aug 1, 2013 | updated 1:51 am pdtview comments ()|email|printadvertisementan usher at a jehovah's witnesses congregation in sun valley was charged wednesday with sexually abusing four boys he met at the church.. marcelo lozano, 34, is expected to be arraigned wednesday afternoon at van nuys superior court with nine felony counts, according to the los angeles county district attorneys office.. lozano, who was an usher for the churchs spanish congregation, allegedly abused boys who ranged from 8 to 15 years old between 2006 and 2013.. he is charged with two counts each of aggravated sexual assault of a child, continuous sexual abuse and oral copulation of a person under 14. and he faces one count each of forcible lewd act upon a child, lewd act upon a child and sodomy of a person under 14 with 10 years difference.. prosecutors will recommend that the defendants bail be set at $1.8 million, the das office said.. lozano faces a maximum term of life in state prison if convicted on all charges.. the los angeles police department is still investigating the case, the das office said.. .
Quite interesting,
I may have actually run into this pervert before. I need pictures. Sun Valley is just 6 miles from where I live. In fact, I likely know people who attend that congregation. As a friend of apostates, I doubt that I could get much info from anyone, but I will try to get more details. That kingdom hall is actually a double kingdom hall and most congregations, if not all, are Hispanic. I attended those halls 18 years ago when I was trying to steal, actually took away, one of the most coveted marriageable JW girls, now my wife. Two brothers-in-law and a nephew-in-law serve as elders in those congregations. They, the brothers in law, refused to attend their sister's wedding with me. Today my children, fathered by a pagan, are exemplary young people, while their children, born and raised in the truth by elder fathers...well, are not exemplary by any stretch of the imagination.
Also, a friend (maybe he does not consider me a friend anymore, after I challenged him to prove vat 4956 fits the Watchtower chronology better than the conventional secular chronology) serves as an elder too.
if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.
this is a game changer.
the bomb!.
QC
From the get-go, Meyer's credential expose him as a bias source for solving the Creation/evolution debate. R. Dawkins would also be a partial source. Also, since you and I are no experts in this discussion, deferring to the experts who are not involved in the debate would be the best way to go. What percentage of evolutionary biologists, genetecists, geologists, paleontologists and other experts in relevant fields do you think would support either of the two mutually exclusive position? Pro-creationists (according to Genesis)?? Pro-evolution (as explained in the most recent scientific research)??
